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		<title>Human society</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2009/08/human-society</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Science and Society]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[irony]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good way to understand human society is to realize that any large group of people will be represented by those individuals belonging to it that are most conspicuous, loudmouthed and newsworthy&#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A good way to understand human society is to realize that any large group of people will be represented by those individuals belonging to it that are most conspicuous, loudmouthed and newsworthy&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Humans</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2009/03/humans</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Philosophy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Politics]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humans are  in fact not that different to other species. We make a little bit more complex sounds and our territorial behavior is a bit more involved, but to say we&#8217;re the crown of creation is rather self involved. The most that can be said about mankind&#8217;s standing in the family of species is that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans are  in fact not that different to other species. We make a little bit more complex sounds and our territorial behavior is a bit more involved, but to say we&#8217;re the crown of creation is rather self involved. The most that can be said about mankind&#8217;s standing in the family of species is that we&#8217;re the black sheep, or the obnoxious kid sibling everybody has to put up with, or mom and pop will give them a hairy eyeball.</p>
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		<title>Buckypaper</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2008/10/buckypaper</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Technology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[chemistry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[manufacture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[physics]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The Buckyball (Buckminsterfullerene) is a soccerball-looking molecule made up of 60 carbon atoms. Yahoo reports the use of this and similar materials to produce a material 20 times lighter than steel and potentially 500 times stronger. See: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081018/tec_buckypaper.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Buckyball (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene#Buckyballs" target="_blank">Buckminsterfullerene</a>) is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(ball)" target="_blank">soccerball</a>-looking molecule made up of 60 carbon atoms.  Yahoo reports the use of this and similar materials to produce a material 20 times lighter than steel and potentially 500 times stronger.</p>
<p>See: <a title="Future planes and cars may be made of `buckypaper'" href="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081018/tec_buckypaper.html">http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081018/tec_buckypaper.html</a></p>
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		<title>Institutionalized hearsay &#8211; no, we still don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s really going on!</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2008/10/institutionalized-hearsay</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Science and Society]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[al Qaeda]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[FUD]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[statistical method]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[survey]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[war in Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[war on terror]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I just read in my local news paper that the US&#8217;s war on terror has failed to weaken al Qaeda. Interesting, I thought, and read on, just to find out that someone had made a survey of some 20 000 people in 23 countries around the world, asking them if the war on terror had [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read in my local news paper that the US&#8217;s war on terror has failed to weaken al Qaeda.</p>
<p>Interesting, I thought, and read on, just to find out that someone had made a survey of some 20 000 people in 23 countries around the world, <em>asking</em> <em>them</em> if the war on terror had weakened al Qaeda.</p>
<p>I managed to track down the survey to a company called <a href="http://www.globescan.com" target="_blank">Globescan</a>.  The actual survey can be found <a href="http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbc_al_qaeda/" target="_blank">here</a>.  This survey seems rather scientific.  They have a <a href="http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbc_al_qaeda/demoquest.html" target="_blank">methodology page</a>, where an account for how the data was collected for each of the involved countries, can be found in a table.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, in more than half of the countries included interviews have been conducted face-to-face, suggesting the sample was only semi random, if even that.  Most likely the interviewers asked people passing by in a market place, supermarket, or some other place, and since a random sample of the country&#8217;s population is less than likely to pass them in the hours or days they conducted the interviews, the sample for that country was not random.  (Which in turn skews the result; imagine if only moms between 20 and 30 were asked this question, as opposed to everyone in the country, and then we&#8217;re not even discussing the difference between face-to-face and telephone interviews when it comes to interviewer influence errors.)</p>
<p>It is also possible to find the actual questions asked on the methodology page.  One that stands out is the question &#8220;Overall would you say your feelings about al Qaeda are positive, negative or mixed?&#8221;</p>
<p>Imagine that question being posed to someone on a street in Egypt, Indonesia, or Pakistan (face-to-face interviews) and then imagine if the interviewee would be honest or not with respect to the far from negligible chance of being overheard&#8230;</p>
<p>The actual question probably quoted by my local news paper (and many like it, I&#8217;ve been able to gather) was probably &#8220;Do you think what US leaders refer to as the ‘war on terror’ has made al Qaeda stronger, weaker, or has had no effect either way?&#8221;</p>
<p>This question was not posed to prime ministers of the countries included in the survey, neither were it posed to members of the intelligence community or the military (at least not solely, as far as the methodology page of the survey reveals), instead the you&#8217;s and me&#8217;s of these countries were asked about the progress of the war on terror.</p>
<p>The question in itself is a potent and interesting one.  The method to find the answer quite frankly sucks!  The first question in the survey, if the interviewee was positive or not towards al Qaeda is interesting given it had been posed in a situation where anonymity were assured and spectator influence limited.  Other questions trying to determine the interviewee&#8217;s personal experience and relation to the war on terror would have been interesting, but the attempt to try to make average Joe determine if the war was effective or not is, if I&#8217;m really nice, plain dumb.</p>
<p>However, as a survey this one is scientific and within parameters (even though I would have wanted more information on methodology).  Unfortunately this kind of research (and others like it, there are <a href="http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcpoll06-4.html" target="_blank">other gems dealing with the war in Iraq</a> in basically the same way, to mention one), dealing with these kinds of questions, does not exist in a vacuum.</p>
<p>Journalists will read these surveys and make headlines from them.  You and I will read these articles and draw conclusions.  We will bring them with us when we vote the next time, when we plan our vacations, and go about our lives (okay not always but now and then we will make decisions remembering &#8220;that article&#8221; about the war in Iraq or the war on terror), and most of the time we won&#8217;t have the background or know the methodology, and in light of that I believe these kinds of questions should not be asked in this way.</p>
<p>Globescan calls their activity reputation research, I think of it as institutionalized hearsay.  With the kind help of these guys we can have what Bob next door has been saying for years served to us as a Survey, based on more than X-thousand interviews in so-and-so many countries.  What a glorious example of statistics once more abused as a tool for spreading FUD.</p>
<p>To all of you who read about this survey and drew your own conclusions from it, I can only say this:  No, we still don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s really going on!</p>
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		<title>How to make US lawmakers realize the crisis is for real&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2008/09/how-to-make-us-lawmakers-realize-the-crisis-is-for-real</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[bank crisis]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The two news items (1 and 2) depicted to the right arrived in my news reader at the same time. This may be the most truthful testimony to the inner workings of the bank crisis and the possibly incoming recession. It gives us, the rest of the world, a ballpark idea of what needs to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.talkwards.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/how-to-make-lawmakers-realize-its-for-real.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-239 alignright" title="How to make US lawmakers take their resonsibility..." src="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/how-to-make-lawmakers-realize-its-for-real-300x194.png" alt="" width="300" height="194" /></a></p>
<p>The two news items (<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48T54320080930?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews" target="_blank">1</a> and <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48T4WT20080930?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews" target="_blank">2</a>) depicted to the right arrived in my news reader at the same time.  This may be the most truthful testimony to the inner workings of the bank crisis and the possibly incoming recession.  It gives us, the rest of the world, a ballpark idea of what needs to happen in the US before lawmakers over there realize they have to stand up to their responsibilities.</p>
<p>Then again, had they made laws keeping control over activities in board rooms, by middle management and brookers in general they might not have had to vote on a $700 bn bailout plan in the first place&#8230; perhaps?</p>
<p>Oh, well&#8230; 8-/</p>
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		<title>Earth Overshoot Day</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2008/09/earth-overshoot-day</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ecology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[environment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[over consumption]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Oops! We used up the last resources of our planet yesterday&#8230; Should I be worried since it was my birthday? :O (Or perhaps I have completely other reasons for concern?) http://www.ameinfo.com/169573.html http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008701.html The concept was apparently invented by Global Footprint Network. Here&#8217;s a link to their overshoot page: http://www.footprintnetwork.org/gfn_sub.php?content=overshoot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  We used up the last resources of our planet yesterday&#8230;  Should I be worried since it was my birthday?  :O  (Or perhaps I have completely other reasons for concern?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ameinfo.com/169573.html" target="_blank">http://www.ameinfo.com/169573.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008701.html" target="_blank">http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008701.html</a></p>
<p>The concept was apparently invented by <a href="http://www.footprintnetwork.org/" target="_blank">Global Footprint Network</a>.  Here&#8217;s a link to their overshoot page: <a href="http://www.footprintnetwork.org/gfn_sub.php?content=overshoot">http://www.footprintnetwork.org/gfn_sub.php?content=overshoot</a></p>
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		<title>Weather Report: &#8220;Rain Mist&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though it&#8217;s usually considered too polite to talk weather, the kind of weather I just passed through on my way to lunch does merit a comment. Usually when it rains in Sweden it pours down so violently you have 5 cms of water covering the ground, or if the rain has decided to stay [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though it&#8217;s usually considered too polite to talk weather, the kind of weather I just passed through on my way to lunch does merit a comment.</p>
<p>Usually when it rains in Sweden it pours down so violently you have 5 cms of water covering the ground, or if the rain has decided to stay the whole day it drizzles, making book reading and Monopoly gaming a viable alternative if you&#8217;re a kid and having summer break, oh memories&#8230; sorry&#8230; well not that we have summer breaks in the autumn, not even in Sweden but we have more or less the same rain in the autumns as in the summer, no hailstorms though.  And colder!</p>
<p>Today was strange though.  More of a rain mist than a real rain, and it took me a while to recognize it.  It was like someone had placed sprinklers all over the place, and they were set to produce that fine mist of water some sprinklers are capable of.</p>
<p>Strange and unusual experience, and a first for me, ever!</p>
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		<title>Evolution &#8212; a guessing game&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.talkwards.com/2007/05/evolution-a-guessing-game</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hoakz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Biology]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does evolution really work? Has it really made us what we are today? Surely the chance of just randomly creating human life must be &#8220;zero many times over&#8221;, right? I&#8217;ve read quite a few pages from the more fundamental and lively bunch of Creationists and Intelligent Design aficionados (like for instance this one), and I&#8217;ve [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does evolution really work?  Has it really made us what we are today?  Surely the chance of just randomly creating human life must be &#8220;zero many times over&#8221;, right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read quite a few pages from the more fundamental and lively bunch of Creationists and Intelligent Design aficionados (like for instance <a href="http://www.submission.org/suras/app31.html">this one</a>), and I&#8217;ve frankly grown tired of this talk about randomly creating life&#8230;</p>
<p>Let me try to explain.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;ve understood opponents to Evolution uses two arguments:</p>
<ol>
<li>Life (humans, humans from apes etc) cannot have happened by chance, neither can evolution from once specie to another happen by chance.</li>
<li>The probability for spontaneous evolution from one specie to another is &#8220;zero many times over&#8221;</li>
</ol>
<h2>Let&#8217;s begin with 1: Life cannot have been created by chance</h2>
<p>Not even Darwin says life was created haphazardly or by random. He says life was created by &#8220;survival of the fittest&#8221;. This means nature gives feedback to life (maybe there&#8217;s where we should go look for God?), mostly by killing off those who wasn&#8217;t fit enough (which sounds like we&#8217;re looking for Old Testament God, right?)</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Theories of evolution has never claimed life was created by chance</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s compare life developing by survival of the fittest to a guessing competition. Say between our friends Craig and Eve&#8230; Craig will think of a number between zero and, oh why don&#8217;t we take 30,000,000,000 (which happens to be the number of nucleotides in human, DNA, but for now it&#8217;s just a number), and Eve will try to guess it. Craig will only tell Eve if her guess is too low or too high. Eve will get as many attempts as she needs. Now&#8230; how many attempts does she need? Well it won&#8217;t be like twenty questions, not with 30 billions in the pot&#8230;</p>
<p>The actual formula for the number of attempts in this kind of guessing game is:</p>
<div id="attachment_119" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 205px"><a href="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nguesses.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-119" title="Formula for max guesses = log10(n_max) / log10(2)" src="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nguesses.png" alt="Formula for max guesses = log10(n_max) / log10(2)" width="195" height="66" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Formula for max guesses</p></div>
<p>And for guessing a number between 0 and 30 billion:</p>
<div id="attachment_120" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/n30bil.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-120" title="max number of guesses needed to guess a number between 0 and 30 billion = log10(3 x 10^10) / log10(2) = 10.48 / 0.3 = 35" src="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/n30bil.png" alt="max number of guesses needed to guess a number between 0 and 30 billion" width="300" height="70" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">max number of guesses needed to guess a number between 0 and 30 billion</p></div>
<p>So&#8230; she needs 35 tries.  I think 35 tries to guess a number between 0 and 30 billion isn&#8217;t unfair&#8230;</p>
<p>So, it stands between Craig and Eve then:</p>
<pre style="padding-left: 30px;">Eve:   Think of a number between zero and thirty billion.
Craig: Ooops... okay lemme think.
            (But instead Craig goes to <a href="http://www.random.org/">random.org</a>,
            and gets the number, 16,637,597,566)
         Okay.
Eve:   Is it 15,000,000,000?
Craig: Higher.
Eve:   Is it 22,500,000,000?
Craig: Nah, lower.
Eve:   Is it 18,750,000,000?
Craig: Nah, lower.
Eve:   Is it 16,875,000,000?
Craig: Nah, lower.
Eve:   Ah, darn.  Is it 15,937,500,000?
Craig: No.  Higher!
Eve:   Aha!  Is it 16,406,250,000?
Craig: Nope (hehehe).  Higher.
Eve:   I'm sure its 16,640,625,000!
Craig: Millions of numbers wrong!  And lower.
Eve:   Okay.  16,523,437,500?
Craig: Nope.  Higher.
Eve:   Sheesh!  16,582,031,250?
Craig: Nah, Lower... you're flailing allover the place!
Eve:   (Blushes).  Okay, is it 16,611,328,125?
Craig: No. Higher!  (You'll nevva get it...)
Eve:   Is it 16,625,976,563?
Craig: No. Higher!
Eve:   (Sigh!)  Is it 16,633,300,782?
Craig: No. Higher!
Eve:   Oh Shoot!  Is it 16,636,962,892?
Craig: No!  No!  No!  Hiiiiigher!
Eve:   Is it 16,638,793,947?
Craig: Hahahah!  You're sooo lost!  Lower!
Eve:   Is it 16,637,878,419?
Craig: Lower!
Eve:   Is it 16,637,420,655?
Craig: Higher!
Eve:   Is it 16,637,649,537?</pre>
<p>Well, those of you who hasn&#8217;t realized by now that Eve will manage to nail that number between zero and thirty-billion before long&#8230; &#8230; read on.</p>
<p>So what happened here?  I knew the number beforehand, so I just arranged the guessing competition?</p>
<p>This is exactly what happened:</p>
<p>Eve started off with half the top number (half of 30 bil is 15 bil, right?) And depending on if Craig told her the number she guessed was higher or lower, Eve divided 15 bil in half (7.5 bil) and added or subtracted to 15 bil. In this scenario 15 was lower than 16 so Eve added 7.5 and got 22.5 bil which was way high. Craig told her so, Eve divided 7.5 in two (getting 3.75) and subtracted this from 22.5, getting 18.75). (You can see exactly how this plays out in <sup><a href="#ref-Evolution-1">[1]</a></sup> below).</p>
<p>You can do this as well, but if you don&#8217;t have a calculator and pen and paper, choose a lower max, like a thousand or ten-thousand.</p>
<p>Okay, back to the discussion. First off, the higher-lower clue is probably more than nature gives us (it just kills us ;o). And guessing between zero and 30 bil is probably also grossly underestimated. The number should probably be thousands, even millions of times higher, and the clues about as much fuzzier.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s up the stakes!</p>
<p>How many attempts would it take for Eve to guess a number roughly representative of the human genome? There are some 3 billion base pairs (<a href="http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/faq/compgen.shtml#stubbs">Functional and Comparative Genomics Fact Sheet</a>) in a human genome. Each of these pairs can consist of a combination of four different bases (usually abbreviated A, C, G, and T for adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine, <a href="http://www.answers.com/nucleotide">http://www.answers.com/nucleotide</a>), but for the heck of it, let&#8217;s assume once we&#8217;re done understanding life we&#8217;ve realized there&#8217;s as many as 100 different bases that can be combined in a pair, and that they can be combined in any order.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s represent a pair as two numbers between 0 and 99 for each base, meaning one pair is a number between 0 and 9999. So, the number we&#8217;re looking at is 3 billion x 4 digits long. Minimum 0, maximum 12 billion 9&#8242;s. We can describe this number as a power of ten:</p>
<div id="attachment_121" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 135px"><a href="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/genome-nmax.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-121" title="The number representing the genome is 10 ^ ( 10 ^ 13) - 1" src="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/genome-nmax.png" alt="The number representing the genome" width="125" height="50" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The number representing the genome</p></div>
<p>And the maximum number of attempts needed will be:</p>
<div id="attachment_122" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 425px"><a href="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/genome-nguesses-415.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-122" title="Number of guesses for the genome is log10( 10 ^ 13 ) - 1 / log10(2) = 3.3219 x 10 ^ 13" src="http://www.hoakz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/genome-nguesses-415.png" alt="Number of guesses for the genome" width="415" height="56" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Number of guesses for the genome</p></div>
<p>That means it will take approximately 3.32&#215;10^13 attempts to get to the right human genome (and that is probably exaggerated since this calculation first says there can be as many as a hundred bases in a nucleotide pair &#8212; space taken for future exploration, and no regard has been taken to what nucleotides really can be paired together with which. Also note that this number of attempts are required for a <em>given individual</em> not just any human. If Eve guessed on Craig&#8217;s grandpa instead of say Craig, she would still be wrong and have to continue until she guessed on Craig).</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>If one person were to make one guess per second on an number &#8220;roughly&#8221; equivalent to the human genome it would take about 1.05 million years to guess the correct number&#8230;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>What does this number mean? If we were to make one attempt a second it would take us roughly 1,053,000 years to get the right number. There are a lot of factors to take into consideration here. Most of the groundwork was made before nature even managed to produce the first single-cell organism&#8230; the number of failures before this happened were probably numerous and recurrent.</p>
<p>Some scientists (<a href="http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/faq/compgen.shtml#stubbs">Functional and Comparative Genomics Fact Sheet</a>) believe the differences between mammals to be very small (for instance the genes in a mouse not possessed by a human and vice versa may be around 1%). What this probably means is that there are numerous combinations which has never occurred within any animal on earth. Already from the beginning a huge number of combinations were discarded to the benefits of others (or in other words, the kind of life we&#8217;re seeing on earth is probably far from the only working combination!)</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The kind of life we&#8217;re seeing on earth is probably far from the only working combination!</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Some bacteria reproduce in about an hour (but rates can vary between 12 minutes and 24 hours or even more <a href="http://textbookofbacteriology.net/growth.html">http://textbookofbacteriology.net/growth.html</a>), so for those bacteria it would take 3600 times as much time to get the exact genome down&#8230;. and that means it would take 3,8 billion years&#8230; how&#8230; convenient, since scientists believe life occurred on earth some 3.2 &#8211; 3.7 billion years ago (<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5731/89">How and Where Did Life on Earth Arise?</a>, Carl Zimmer, <em>Science,</em> Vol 309, Issue 5731). However, when talking about bacteria, we&#8217;re not talking about one single line of bacteria doing the whole job, we&#8217;re talking about billions and billions of them working in parallel, one variant defeating another less &#8220;fit to survive&#8221; variant, over and over again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually a bit hard to see how life could have not evolved, given the circumstances on this planet, but let&#8217;s not go further into that duscussion just yet.</p>
<h2>Okay, point number 2 above.  The probability for this to happen is &#8220;zero many times over&#8221;</h2>
<p>Well, maybe you would have been right if Earth was the only place were life has attempted to evolve. However&#8230; you need to take a good look at the universe&#8230; (unless you belong to those who think the Sun rotates around the Earth and the stars are small piercings in a black cloth, if that&#8217;s the case, I can only give my condolences&#8230;.)</p>
<p>In the Milky Way alone there are some 200 billion stars (see <a href="http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980317b.html">Ask an Astrophysicist, Size of the Milky Way</a>), and even if only 1% of these have planets, and 1% of those has planets with even a remotely acceptable temperature and only 1% of those have an atmosphere that would sustain life and only 1% of those really had life and only 1% of those had intelligent life it would still be 20 stars in this galaxy alone with intelligent life.</p>
<p>That would equal a 1 in 10 billion chance of intelligent life (0.000000001%).</p>
<p>Given that the universe is estimated to contain some (holes in black cloths disregarded here, sorry) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (10^21) (see <a href="http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970115.html">Ask an Astrophysicist, The Number of Stars</a>).</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The universe is estimated to contain some one thousand billion-billion stars (that&#8217;s a one with 21 zeros after it&#8230;)</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The 1 in 10 billion estimate would give us around 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) star systems with intelligent life in the universe&#8230; The part of the universe we can see so far&#8230;.  However, I believe that number to be grossly exaggerated, I am sure there are no more than say three or four thousand planets with intelligent life in the known universe (which would give us a 1 in 285 million billion chance &#8212; or 0.00000000000000035% &#8212; for intelligent life in a given solar system).</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I believe there are only a few thousand solar systems with intelligent life in the universe&#8230;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Very few of these 3-4000 planets probably have societies that has evolved far enough to start making noise we can pick up. Some may take thousands of years before they get that far, some may already have gone past the &#8220;radio&#8221; era, but since they&#8217;re millions of light-years away they would already have come here, seen us, yawned and went home again, when their radio signals finally reaches us&#8230;</p>
<p>One of the major failures of ID/Creationism aficionados is the inability to fathom how huge the known universe is.  Professor Edwin Conklin is rumored to have said that the probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing factory.  To put things into perspective, lets contemplate the number of printing factories that can be placed on the planets of one thousand billion billion solar systems, and how many times these factories can explode during some 3.5 billion years.</p>
<p>I am still saying life did not happen by chance, accident or randomness, but I&#8217;d like to make a point that the size of the universe <strong>does</strong> play a significant role when determining the feasibility of evolutionary theories.</p>
<p>So what do I believe&#8230;.?</p>
<p>I believe if God ever created anything, then God created evolution&#8230; &gt;:P</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Maybe God created evolution?</strong></p></blockquote>
<hr /><a title="ref-Evolution-1" name="ref-Evolution-1"></a>[#1] The number guessing, beat-by-beat (Craig thought of the number 16,637,597,566)</p>
<table border="1">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th style="font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold;">Guess #</th>
<th style="font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold;">Eve&#8217;s guess</th>
<th style="font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold;">What she added / subtracted</th>
<th style="font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold;">Craig&#8217;s reply</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>1</td>
<td align="right">15 000 000 000</td>
<td align="right">-</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>2</td>
<td align="right">22 500 000 000</td>
<td align="right">7 500 000 000</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3</td>
<td align="right">18 750 000 000</td>
<td align="right">3 750 000 000</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>4</td>
<td align="right">16 875 000 000</td>
<td align="right">1 875 000 000</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>5</td>
<td align="right">15 937 500 000</td>
<td align="right">937 500 000</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>6</td>
<td align="right">16 406 250 000</td>
<td align="right">468 750 000</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>7</td>
<td align="right">16 640 625 000</td>
<td align="right">234 375 000</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>8</td>
<td align="right">16 523 437 500</td>
<td align="right">117 187 500</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>9</td>
<td align="right">16 582 031 250</td>
<td align="right">58 593 750</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>10</td>
<td align="right">16 611 328 125</td>
<td align="right">29 296 875</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>11</td>
<td align="right">16 625 976 563</td>
<td align="right">14 648 438</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>12</td>
<td align="right">16 633 300 782</td>
<td align="right">7 324 219</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>13</td>
<td align="right">16 636 962 892</td>
<td align="right">3 662 110</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>14</td>
<td align="right">16 638 793 947</td>
<td align="right">1 831 055</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>15</td>
<td align="right">16 637 878 419</td>
<td align="right">915 528</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>16</td>
<td align="right">16 637 420 655</td>
<td align="right">457 764</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>17</td>
<td align="right">16 637 649 537</td>
<td align="right">228 882</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>18</td>
<td align="right">16 637 535 096</td>
<td align="right">114 441</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>19</td>
<td align="right">16 637 592 317</td>
<td align="right">57 221</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>20</td>
<td align="right">16 637 620 928</td>
<td align="right">28 611</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>21</td>
<td align="right">16 637 606 622</td>
<td align="right">14 306</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>22</td>
<td align="right">16 637 599 469</td>
<td align="right">7 153</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>23</td>
<td align="right">16 637 595 892</td>
<td align="right">3 577</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>24</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 681</td>
<td align="right">1 789</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>25</td>
<td align="right">16 637 596 786</td>
<td align="right">895</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>26</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 234</td>
<td align="right">448</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>27</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 458</td>
<td align="right">224</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>28</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 570</td>
<td align="right">112</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>29</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 514</td>
<td align="right">56</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>30</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 542</td>
<td align="right">28</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>31</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 556</td>
<td align="right">14</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>32</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 563</td>
<td align="right">7</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>33</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 567</td>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td>Too high!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>34</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 565</td>
<td align="right">2</td>
<td>Too low!</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>35</td>
<td align="right">16 637 597 566</td>
<td align="right">1</td>
<td>*growl*</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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